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AIRPLANE CRASH OF GEE BEE RACER, 1931



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Author Nick Dawson ( ago)
That moment in KSP that you decide that your plane with un-braced wings can
handle the bigger turbojet...

Author Zack Dänekas ( ago)
ok all this talk about flutter and pulling ect..... you guys need to
realize that this is in 1931 for crying out loud! they had no x ray metal
checking like they do now, they didnt have endoscopes to run inside the
wing and look for cracks! the manufacturing process back then for both the
pieces of metal, and the construction of the plane were also sketchy at
best! we have no idea how many flight hours are on this plane, what kinda
stuff he put it through before this ect, if the wing ever clipped the
ground or hit a hanger. also, its a friggin giant ass motor that is as big
as a full grown man around!!!! with a tiny ass plane built around it lol it
doesnt take a rocket scientist to come up with a conclusion that, thats
gonna shake itself to bits! its like stuffing a v12 from a super car into a
honda civic!

Author Josh Randal ( ago)
here

Author Kenny M ( ago)
Bracing wires are suicide @ 250 mph+

Author dirtdobber blue ( ago)
crash till you stop or taste blood

Author dirtdobber blue ( ago)
fuck the aircraft.what a brave hero

Author C Riley (The Rileys) ( ago)
Ain't no biggie, drives me nuts when editors misrepresent sounds. Congrats
on ur flying!

Author C Riley (The Rileys) ( ago)
Uh, no, that sound is a merlin, not a radial Pratt n Whitney 

Author Steven Davis ( ago)
That's a terrible job at sound effects you did.

Author ohger1 ( ago)
I remember reading about these planes back in the 70s, and they were
reputedly a handful even when they didn't come apart. No way I'd ever fly
one.

Author TheInboil ( ago)
it was ISIS

Author Bill Polits ( ago)
Yes, the pitch down, then pull up followed by both wings deforming leading
edge up and then the right wing fails.

Author airraptor ( ago)
Jack hammer ope your eyes and look at the video. you will see it pitched
slightly nose down then pitched up slightly

Author Carmel Pule' ( ago)
I never liked this aircraft because of the " wired" struts holding the
wings, especially the lower ones, and as far as the wing tips, I feel the
design of the wing tips is a disaster.
Those thin struts are like a guitar or violin string and they could
oscillate in a variation of mode from fundamental to higher harmonics.
with such high frequency vibrations metal fatigue could have weakened the
lower pair and so one of them failed and if it was the front one then the
wing would have warped and then failed and the first warp would have sent
the plane to spin as it did. Vibrating thin wires or solid drawn thin
struts are a great disadvantage at planes travelling at over 100 mph.
From this video I feel that is what happened.
For the same reason , sailing boats have to change the mast rigging pretty
often as it is known that the rigging sings with the wind! I can imagine
the singing of the" rigging" in the Gee Bee.

Author dizzypilots1 ( ago)
show me the non white that could creat a geebee racer

Author aldraw ( ago)
Why does it sound like a jet fighter?

Author rcnut812 ( ago)
It's always entertaining to read all the You Tube engineers comments. 

Author Dan Hudson ( ago)
Aileron flutter? The right wing failed about midspan. I always heard that
the skin came off the right wing fouling the lift but this video tells a
different story. 

Author Sealy571 ( ago)
Right wing came off.

Author dizzypilots1 ( ago)
that was one bad ass hot rod,everybody has an excuse,but none of these
wanna bees can call it true.flaps,caps,ass,hats,on and on 

Author airraptor ( ago)
My thoughts was that elevator flutter caused a sudden pitch nose down and
the quick reaction of the pilot caused a sudden pitch change and high AoA
caused the right wing to fail ending with the plane impacting the ground at
high speed.

Author Arne Husby ( ago)
Interesting film, but the music is unnecessary.

Author theroskyyyy (1106 years ago)
Woow this is sad.....atleast i know he would have been dead by now of other
causes...but still, sad

Author theroskyyyy (1107 years ago)
Woow this is sad.....atleast i know he would have been dead by now of other
causes...but still, sad

Author Béla Ságodi ( ago)
Control surface flutter is a more likely cause. It is theorized that the
gas cap struck the pilot and incapacitated him, causing a sudden upset in
pitch that led to uncontrolled flutter in the right aileron which imparted
undue stress on that wing, causing it to pitch up sharply and fail.

Author osp80 ( ago)
a lot of the problem with classic racers aside from being o the cutting
edge of aerodynamics was simply the less quality of materials then. they
took a sample of one of the engine blocks from a german silver arrow F1 car
from the 30's and determined it's alloy was comparable to alloys found in
common patio furniture today.

Author Michael Pederson ( ago)
Ya

Author JohnSmith6875 ( ago)
Doolittle said this was easily the most dangerous airplane he ever flew.
Once he won the race with it, he flew it straight back to where he had
picked it up and said he would never fly it again. All the original Gee
Bee Racers were written off.

Author Obearons Muse ( ago)
There is a pull, you can see both wings thicken just before the right wing
folds. We can see more than the leading edge, the bottom of both wings
show for a split second, meaning a pull. He was descending, so he needed
to pull at some point. It seems clear to me that the speed, for which this
airplane was not designed, and the heavier engine, for which the airplane
was not designed, simply reached the load limit when Bayles nudged the
stick back to level off. 

Author jeff13151 ( ago)
I bet they're a bitch to fly with one wing.

Author phil123711 ( ago)
Stupid bloody music.

Author Countdown70s ( ago)
GeeBee = creepiest scariest and most dangerous airplane I ever saw...you
would not get me into one at gunpoint.
Sad what happened to this Bayles fellow, the pre-amble brought him to life
with us too, there he is in the cockpit one minute, the next,
neeeeyow...splat..whoof..

Author Jim Humphries ( ago)
Unstable in every direction.

Author DmaxHd ( ago)
Aileron flutter tore the wing apart , there was no pulling up visible

Author Piet Builder ( ago)
That had to be caused by aileron flutter
R.I.P.

Author C Riley (The Rileys) ( ago)
Wrong engine sound for this aircraft. 

Author Treetop64 ( ago)
Would have been just fine without the added on sound effects, which were a
bit over the top.

Author Sam Moss ( ago)
That was my very first plastic model plane back in the late 50's boy does
this bring back memories.

Author Sam Moss ( ago)
Yeah he lost a wing his right one and it was all over. Don't know if the
spars went from tip to tip for strength.

Author kh40yr ( ago)
You can see the right wing 1/2 / tip stand straight up,,then it disappears.
Clearly instant structural failure. Rip Brave pilot.

Author M RAMIREZ ( ago)
RIP Brave Pilot

Author Dave Hill ( ago)
Jimmy Doolittle said " there are no old race pilots" but Rosco Turner and
others managed to survive to old age. I remember watching the '38 and 39'
National Air Races in Cleveland when I was a kid. We watched from a field
near the airport. I can till see Earl Ortman's plane trailing thin black
smoke as the engine was burning up.

Author buzzypeterson1147 ( ago)
looks like a cable failure of the wing cable to me. I don't buy aileron
flutter, you don't see that too often in tube and fabric planes in my
experience.

Author ThePatriotMuckraker ( ago)
Is he OK?

Author T.R. Hart ( ago)
I just read Jimmy Doolittle's autobiography. He claims that a loose gas cap
came off crashed through the thin canopy and hit Bayles in the head making
him lose control of the airplane, flipping and then crashing. Jimmy said it
was the most dangerous airplane he ever flew.

Author homfencing ( ago)
Poor bastard never had a chance....at least it was quick.

Author Middle Georgia Airplane Spotting ( ago)
Music... oooh why do people put music in videos like this...

Author George Anderson ( ago)
Some have suggested that the GEE BEE was not dangerous. It was and any
student of stability and control will be glad to show why the design is
inherently unstable. Jimmy Doolittle said the same later in his life. In
his memoirs. Suggesting that an aileron fluttered is possible but just
speculation. Clearly a wing came off. I can imagine it possible that pilot
incapacitation could have resulted in over G but no flight path change to
confirms this.

Author SomeGuyInSandy ( ago)
I believe that is correct! +1

Author MrGopherhead ( ago)
"in those days"? they are still made like that.

Author McRocket ( ago)
'Pieces of the canopy, part of Bayles' goggles and the gas cap found along
the flight path seemed to support these findings.'

Author Archibald Mirenopteryx ( ago)
The findings on that were inconclusive, but the fact it had a bulletproof
windscreen and internal gas caps, as well as the graininess of the film,
suggested against it. Aerodynamic flutter on the ailerons at speed is still
the most likely cause.

Author SomeGuyInSandy ( ago)
He was wearing a parachute. In those days they were slung in a package very
low behind the pilot. You can see it as the gets into the plane. Pilots in
those days used them as seat cushions as well.

Author Bobby Ingram ( ago)
Wears a tie and NO parachute. But the chute wouldn't have helped.

Author Steven Lamphear ( ago)
Looks like both(!) mounts at the front of the wings tore loose and flipped
back.

Author John Sanchez ( ago)
What really happened was the gas cap came loose, went through the canopy
and hit Scott in the head killing him instantly. The racer was out of
control before the wing ripped off.

Author Scott Brener ( ago)
This footage was spliced into many, many old aviation movies for a crash
scene. The wing failure was almost certainly due to high speed aileron
flutter, quite possibly aggravated by a bad ground loop on an earlier
landing damaging the main wing spar. It was never inspected before the
fatal flight. The Gee Bee racers were most definitely no more or less
dangerous to fly than any other racing ship then or now. None of them are
Piper Cubs nor should they be - with 6 ships rounding a pylon at 300mph

Author Tudor Renegade ( ago)
a strange light at 2:50 , just after that the wing rips off.

Author J.J. Topp ( ago)
This aircraft was/is known to develop severe wing flutter at high speeds
which can result in catastrophic failure of the wing spar(s).

Author GadgetMart ( ago)
Looks like it's 'fluttered right off' to me! The planes speed ripped the
wing off!

Author Sascha Haber ( ago)
The music is teeeerrible ;)

Author TheFuriousB ( ago)
music: Ry Cooder?

Author usmctanks1 ( ago)
Well another engine coolant is oil, so they did have to worry about oil
pressure (leaks, damage etc.). All Fighters both radial and in line had
superchargers and/or turbo supercharges (which in the case of the P-47
failure could and did lead to severe damage to the aircraft as well as the
engine) imagine a 25000 rpm turbine blade exploding beneath your seat!!
Radial engine fighters (excepting the Fw-190) had significant drag,
although they were more durable overall.

Author altooname ( ago)
Right, and as I am sure you know the pilot of a radial engined aircraft
never had to worry about being disabled by losing coolant, unlike P-40 and
P-38 pilots..

Author usmctanks1 ( ago)
The P-40 was an upgraded P-36, which did have a radial engine. The inline
Allison enging used gave it a longer nose (and most likely more footage on
the cowling, so it was in fact "bigger")> the P-47 had a 2800 hp radial
engine with turbosupercharging, so it was much heavier/faster etc. than the
P-40

Author BarryDennen12 ( ago)
Fuck yeah!!!!

Author mybluebelly ( ago)
Not nice.

Author altoonabeme ( ago)
The P-47 and other radial-engined aircraft had big cowls, but the P-40 with
its inline engine as well as the P-51 and P-38 with inlines had smaller
cowling around their engines.

Author Ben Weihrich ( ago)
I can see where the big cowl of the P40 came from!!!!!

Author Hellfire0220 ( ago)
Shittttt there was nothing left..looked like a bird hit the wing the way it
crumpled in the front before it folded over.

Author keepthefunk ( ago)
1:51 CRASH

Author Douglas Ames ( ago)
RH main wing spar failed.

Author banditsuz ( ago)
Great camera work.

Author wimmerwalter ( ago)
Yes, you are right, it was all wood bending, carving in the late `50 and
early `60. That is why the quantities were so low, and several
manufacturers attemps were unsucessful in keeping a reasonable production
up. And the designer did not have the modern computer tools. He had his
slide rule and a very good feel.WW

Author FALCO64125 ( ago)
I hadn't heard of that plane before. Looked it up though and it's a pretty
looking aircraft. Reminds me of the Lancairs and Glassair. Though being
built before fiberglass construction makes it even more impressive.

Author wimmerwalter ( ago)
Oh, I did think about the Falco F8 L, a sleek Ferrari like airplane from
famous italian designer Stelio Frati. They are not built anymore, and with
its clasic,sleek lines they were marvels in wood. Today Seqoia aircraft in
the US takes care of them, in parts or even as materials kit. WW

Author FALCO64125 ( ago)
Well, there's a few. First, I like birds. Second, Falco is a good singer.
Third, and mostly, I was 12 when we first really started using the
internet, Starfox 64 was the big new game then, Fox was overused, Falco was
slightly less over used, Falco64 was taken, so I added 125. Just feels like
my online name just as my real name feels like my real name *shrug*

Author wimmerwalter ( ago)
Well, those people took risks we would not do in the same way today, but in
different ways,such as space flights, rocket take offs, Agree,many things
would have been learnded differently,if not for those people. Does the name
Falco have specific reason, I would know of two. Walter

Author FALCO64125 ( ago)
Yep, it's people like Bayles that are the reason we have that little Vne
red line on the air speed indicator. I'm sure his plane would have been
well beyond that had they known what it was.

Author ben dunn ( ago)
I didn't realize before how little it was.

Author wimmerwalter ( ago)
It definitely looks like aileron/wing flutter,which people did not knoew
much about at this time. It was the third pass, an previous damage might
have happened already. Brave people who entered into such unknown areas of
flight.

Author dasUBootVII ( ago)
Good film but the New Age sounds truly sucked.

Author catherine taylor ( ago)
In the slo-mo shot, you can see that the pilot loses the starbord wing
which results in a departure of normal flight. Catastophic airframe failure
was not unknow in early racers.

Author castorini ( ago)
Well, I guess there wasn't much left of the pilot.

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
Well if you cant figure out why the two in museums are replicas YOU ARE
DUMMER THAT I THOUGHT.Your still at this?YOU LOST..YOUR A LOSER..OWNED..GO
AWAY NOW!!your mommys calling you..

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
NO DUMB ASS THE ONE IN THE MUSEUM WHICH I ACTUALLY TOUCHED AT THE FANTASY
OF FLIGHT MUSEUM BY MY HOUSE IN POLK FLORIDA IS A REMAKE...And so is the
one in S,Monica..C/P"Gee Bee Model "Z" Bill Turner replica used in the
movie the Rocketeer. It now is on display at the Santa Monica Air Museum 25
gee bees in all do you want me to find every story on all of them that
crashed for you??..Your pathetic..Oh I hear your mamma calling you..Better
go clean your room...

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
In 1932, the two Gee Bees R1 and R2 found a tragical end. One of them,
during take-off in Indianapolis, deviated while rolling on the left of
strip and crashed head first on the landing strip. Russel Boardman, the
pilot died some days later. The same day the second machine broke its
landing gear returned to springfield where it crashed while landing. Jimmy
Haizlip, the pilot was severely wounded and this accident marked him for
life. Zantford Granville Died in one of his machines

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
A last Gee Bee was built with pieces retrieved from the wrecks of the two
super sporters R1 and R2. This hybrid crashed at the take-off during the
1934 Bendix Trophy, causing once again the pilot's death. It was the last
time that the machine participated in a race.

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
Geese, take it easy,Sorry you just do the same thing all of the democrats
do..Think you know it all and never listen so you never learn
anything..HEre you go DICK HEAD!!...Learn something..This is copied from
the Gee bee story you would have found if you just gooled it...It will be
my next post..quit being an stubborn dick head..And dont reply when I prove
you wrong..DAmn..I wonder how you treated your teachers..I doubt you made
it through school with that attitude.

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
LOL...YES THEY DID!!!! AFTER HE WON....WHAT ARE YOU A DEMOCRAT??What do you
think it all happened in one day..THIS PLANE WAS FAMOUS FOR BEING Dangerous
AND PROBLEMATIC..

Author glassdogangle ( ago)
Bigger, heavier engine causing even higher wing loading, high speed, and as
the plane made the final descending bank the already stressed wings were
put under just too much pressure by what looks like a little bit of quick
up elevator for a final level-out a fraction of a second before the wings
snapped. At speeds close to, and faster than, the maneuvering speed, full
deflection of any flight control surface should not be attempted because of
the risk of damage to the aircraft structure.

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
The success of the “Z” model was short lived however. Bayles had a larger
750 hp engine installed and was going to make an attempt at the World Land
Speed Record. On December 5, 1931 at the Wayne County Airport in Detroit,
Michigan,, Bayles came speeding in to the timing gate when, within a matter
of seconds, the right wing came off and the tumbling Gee Bee hit the
ground, erupting into a ball of flames! Bayles was killed and the
reputation of the Gee Bee as a killer airplane began.

Author runninonempiy ( ago)
THESE WERE A DESIGN NIGHTMARE..ALL OF THEM CRASHED...

Author kardRatzinger ( ago)
It was suspected that the Model Z's crash during a speed run in December
1931 was due to an unexpected failure of the gasoline tank cap, which may
have been ripped off of the fuel tank filler tube by the aerodynamic
boundary layer of air immediately over the surface of the aircraft's
fuselage, resulting in the now-airborne gas cap smashing into the pilot's
face.

Author MurryBob ( ago)
Men Who Ride on The Backs of Tigers Never Get Off.

Author TungstenKid ( ago)
I can't remember where i got my download from, type 'FSX geebee' into the
Google search box and something should come up like 'Simviation Microsoft
FSX props page 19'

Author TungstenKid ( ago)
In those days any aircraft company could build a plane because the
certificate of airworthiness regulations weren't so strict. I suppose
somebody designed the GeeBee on the back of an envelope in an hour, it's
the ugliest little mother i ever saw

Author william henry ( ago)
too much power, too short of wing area and it was real touchy

Author william henry ( ago)
a very difficult aircraft to fly, even a r/c version the realflight g6
simulator has one

Author william henry ( ago)
i read that only 3 people lived after flying this, Doolitlle, huges and
another i cant remember

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